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The Great Recession is Almost Over! follow this blog post

The Great Recession is in the ninth inning and the home team is up by one run.  As long as the other team doesn't ties it up, the recession is over.  As you can see, I am cautiously optimistic.  We have come a long way from the market panic in the fall on '08 and March '09 lows.  The "green shoots" we started to see in Q2 and Q3 have led to stock market rebound of almost 55%.  The stock market usually moves six months ahead of the real market.

The Conference Board said recently that its index of leading indicators rose 0.6% in July - its fourth consecutive gain - suggesting the economy has bottomed and the recession will end this summer, if it hasn't already.  On Tuesday, The Conference Board reported its gauge of consumer confidence jumped to 54.1 in August from an upwardly revised 47.4 in July. Economists had expected a milder uptick to 47.5. Consumer confidence number over 50% is bullish.  When you start to hear economists proclaim the recession is over, they're celebrating the technical meaning, they mean economic output has stopped contracting.

Economic activity "will increase slightly over the remainder of 2009," Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke told Congress. As a result the Fed will stop some of it bond buying activity, signaling that the Fed is less concerned about liquidity in the market.

Some the concerns in the ninth inning of the recessions are that unemployment rate remains north of 9% and foreclosures are near all-time highs.  Since December 2007 The U.S. has lost 6.5 million jobs and spurred the sharpest rise in the unemployment rate since the 1930s. As manufacturing jobs move overseas and companies struggle to further reduce costs, unemployment, which stands at 9.5 percent, is likely to rise above 10 percent, but jobs are trailing indicator.  Recent job losses have dropped 60-70% from their peak.  The temp job market recovers first, so keep an eye on that.  Employers want to feel confident about the business environment, so mass fulltime employ happens only when the economy is well out of a recession. 

WANTED Technologies forecasts that Nonfarm Employment Payroll will drop by 190,000 in August. Last month the BLS reported a decline of 247,000 nonfarm workers, substantially down from the 700,00+ declines earlier in the year.

 

The stock market is a lead indicator and the marker has recovered more than half of its losses. The S&P 500 stock index bottoms, on average, four months before the recession ends and never by more than eight months.  This year the S&P 500 bottomed on early March.

My brother-in-law toke that drive from MA to NJ for the weekend and he talked of all the infrastructure work going on, which cause his trip to take twice as long.  That infrastructure work and much of the positive economic data is simply the result of government action (the stimulus plan) and stabilization of banks and credit markets.  Seems like Keynesian economics, a theory stating that active government intervention in the marketplace and monetary policy is the best method of ensuring economic growth and stability (especially in recessions), is working, or at least prevented a depression.  Goldman Sachs predicts Global GDP for 2009 to be 4%.  All other recession have ended so will this one. 

The jobs numbers are important to a full recovery and a booming economy.  I think in Feb 2010 we'll have positive jobs numbers.  Indeed.com had about 2.8M jobs listed on the site when I did a search for 'a', top occupation Physical Therapist, top employer Pizza Hut/YUM Brands, top location NY, and there are almost half million jobs list with salaries over $100K.

 

Title     Physical Therapist (13,289)   Occupational Therapist (9,501)  Independent Beauty Consultant (8,902)  Tax Professional/Tax Preparer (6,568)  Independent Sales Representative for AVON (6,167)Tax Professional / Tax Preparer (6,164)        Company    Pizza Hut (24,806)    AT&T (23,745)    Northrop Grumman (17,459)   Sears Roebuck and Co. (16,304)  Blockbuster Inc. (15,575)         Location     New York, NY (73,272)   Houston, TX (36,825)   Washington, DC (34,458)   Chicago, IL (32,136)   Atlanta, GA (26,903)   Los Angeles, CA (25,402)         Salary Estimate    $20,000+ (2,528,296)   $40,000+ (1,767,464)   $60,000+ (1,177,209)   $80,000+ (689,237)    $100,000+ (420,431)         

 By Feb 2010 the stimulus plan will be in full swing, employers will have new budgets and consumers should be even more optimistic.  To keep the economy rolling after that we will need to stop relying on government stimulus funding and interest rates need to rise above 0%. In addition, inflations (not currently an issue) will need to be managed and the national debt reduced.

We are a long way from the go-go days of a 5% unemployment rate, 7 or 8% is much more likely than 12 or 13%.  After a category 5 hurricane, thunder storms don't seem so bad. Let hope our star "closer" can pitch his way to a win in the bottom of the ninth.

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  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Maybe things look better where you are folks, but not around here in the Bay Area (See 1st below.)

    Also, look at the historic unemployment rate.  (See 2nd below.) Let's compare recessions: here defined as an unemployment rate above 7.0% for the late 70s-early 80s and current ones, and above 6.0% for the 2003 one (the rate never went above 6.3!)   If we get back to 7%, it will be higher than it was during the Dot Bomb Recession of 2003. This doesn't look likely to happen for awhile (See 3rd below.)

    I hope these folks are way, way too pessimistic.

    -kh keithsrj@sbcglobal.net

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    FYI....

    http://sanjose.bizjournals.com/sanjose/stories/2009/08/17/daily86.html

    Friday, August 21, 2009
    Silicon Valley's July jobless rate nearly doubles
    Silicon Valley / San Jose Business Journal

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    http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/data/UNRATE.txt

    Title:               Civilian Unemployment Rate
    Series ID:           UNRATE
    Source:              U.S. Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics
    Release:             The Employment Situation
    Seasonal Adjustment: Seasonally Adjusted
    Frequency:           Monthly
    Units:               Percent
    Date Range:          1948-01-01 to 2009-07-01
    Last Updated:        2009-08-07 9:47 AM CDT
    Notes:               Persons 16 years of age and older.
                        
                         The Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) announced several revisions to
                         the Household Survey on Friday Feb.7th 2003, with the release of the
                         January 2003 Data. They introduced the Census 2000 population controls
                         (which affect data back to 2000 and cause a break in the data in
                         January 2000), a new seasonal adjustment procedure, and new seasonal
                         factors back to January 1998. For further information contact the
                         Current Employment Statistics (CES) homepage at www.bls.gov/ces or by
                         calling 202-691-6555.

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    http://web.rollins.edu/~wseyfried/forecast.htm

    Macroeconomic Forecasts


    Recent Forecasts

    CBO (Aug 2009 - see pp4-5): economic growth (end of year comparisons) = -1% in 2009, 2.8% in 2010, 3.8% in 2011; unemployment = 9.3% in 2009 (peak of 10.4% in mid 2010), 10.2% in 2010, 9.1% in 2011, core PCE inflation = 1.7% in 2009, 0.8% in 2010, 0.5% in 2011

    Survey of Professional Forecasters (latest survey August 2009): economic growth = 2.4% in third quarter, 2.2% in fourth quarter, 2.3% in 2010; core inflation (PCE) = 1.4% in 2009, 1.3% in 2010 and 1.7% in 2011 (overall PCE inflation = 0.9% in 2009, 1.7% in 2010, 2% in 2011); unemployment rate rises to 9.9% by end of 2009; average unemployment rate = 9.6% in 2010, 8.9% in 2011, 8% in 2012

    Wells Fargo Securities Economic Forecast (latest monthly forecast - August 12, 2009): economic growth 3.4% in third quarter of 2009 and +2.6% in the fourth quarter; -2.5% for all of 2009 and 2.1% in 2010; core PCE inflation = 1.5% in 2009 and 1.2% in 2010 (note: CPI inflation = -0.6% in 2009); unemployment rate rising to 10% in 2009 and 10.2% in the first quarter of 2010 before declining to 9.9% in the fourth quarter of 2010 (slow job creation beginning Spring 2010)

    Economic forecasting survey, August 2009 (WSJ): recession ends this quarter, unemployment peaks at 9.9%, 98% favor reappointment of Bernanke as Fed Chair

    Economist (July 2009): economic growth = -2.6% in 2009,  1.4% in 2010, 0.8% in 2011, inflation (CPI) = -0.8% in 2009, 0.9% in 2010, 1.3% in 2011

    IMF (July 2009): US economic growth = -2.6% in 2009, 0.8% in 2010

    Fed Forecast as of June 2009: economic growth = -1.5% to -1% in 2009, 2.1% to 3.3%  in 2010 and 3.8 to 4.6% in 2011 (note: these are from 4th quarter to 4th quarter while other forecasts compare yearly averages); unemployment rate = 9.8 to 10.1 in 2009, 9.5 to 9.8% in 2010 and 8.4 to 8.8% in 2011 (estimates are for 4th quarter of the respective year); inflation as measured by core PCE deflator of 1.3% to 1.6% in 2009, 1% to 1.5% in 2010 and 0.9 to 1.7% in 2011

    OECD (June 23, 2009): forecast for US - economic growth = -2.8% for 2009, 0.9% for 2010; unemployment rate = 10% in fourth quarter 2009, 10.1% in 2010, inflation =0.2% in 2009, 0.8% in 2010

    Univ. of Michigan Economic Forecast (executive summary - June 2009): economic growth = -3% in second quarter, 0.5% in second half of 2009,  -3.1% for all of 2009, 1.4% in 2010; core inflation (CPI) = 1.8% in 2009 (overall inflation = -0.2%), 2.2% in 2010; unemployment rate averages 9.4% in 2009, 10.3% in 2010 (peaks at 10.4% in second quarter of 2010, declines to 10.2% by end of 2010); total job loss  of 8 million

    Livingston Survey (latest survey - June 2009): economic growth = -3.9% for the first half of 2009, 1.1% for the second half of 2009 and 2.6% in first half of 2010; unemployment rate = 9.9% in Dec 2009 and 9.8% in June 2010; inflation (CPI) = -0.7% for 2009 and 1.7% for 2010

    NABE consensus forecast (CNN-Money): unemployment reaches 9.8% by end of 2009, 9.3% by end of 2010; economic growth resumes in third quarter (0.7%); economic growth for 2009 = -2.8%
     
    Commentaries on Economic Conditions
    Beige Book (Fed)
    Haver Analytics: up-to-date commentary on recently released economic data
    Current Economic Data



    last updated: 08/25/2009

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Krugman stated that government actions kept the US from a depression, I believe a round of tax cuts at some point in the future (in 2-6 years) will result in a booming real economy...  That will in turn, create boom in hiring for all of us to debate and strategize about.....

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Hmmm... I'm thinking Obama won't be cutting taxes anytime soon...

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    I like your optimism but have a word of advice, Indeed is not a "real measure" since it pulls from multiple sites any jobs listed on multiple sites get counted multiple times so the numbers are inflated.  That said, I did a quick search for 2 areas that I feel we need to have significant gains before we see the end of the big R "Manufacturing - nationwide" = 120,971  and "engineering - nationwide" = 260,270 .  If we are not producing, the jobs growth will be temporary, service industries alone cannot sustain us if we have no manufacturing for them to "service".

    I suppose since that is my niche, I am focused on the return of INDUSTRY.  Until we get back our manufacturing base that can produce salable goods we will continue to flounder.

    I am still optimistic - this is not as bad as the early 80's where unemployment was in double digits AND inflation was also running in the double digits, home mortgage loans were averaging 10-12%.  We made it through that - this will also end.  Just not as quickly as any of us hope I feel.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    I believe Indeed backs out dups (to some extent), either way there's many jobs that are not search able, such as the those in the hidden job market, unadvertised jobs online, etc.  In addition to the jobs listed online, the US needs to create about 3 million jobs before things are roaring again.  I'd like to see many jobs created around natural gas, i.e. more natural gas vehicles and power tools.  More wind and solar related jobs would lead to more manufacturing too.      

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    It's funny. I weathered this storm until now. I can't believe with millions of recruiters (Making that number up, so don't flame me looking for where I found that number) and as things start to improve, NOW I get laid off. I guess that's a good thing, since more recruiting jobs should start popping up, and let's face it, I'm not on the street yet, but by the end of the year, I'll be joining all of those that I've helped get through this storm. I just happen to be in a sector that is going to take longer to bounce back. Lucky me!

    I wish I could say that these words helped, but frankly, they don't.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Good news indeed!

    The six "top" occupations include PT's and OT's, with a minimum of a masters degree to enter either one and both threatened by potential government control, "Independent Beauty Consultant" (huh?), Avon Sales Rep (what?), and two dependent upon our mind-numbingly complex tax system.

    Thanks for sharing!

     

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Nowhere have I seen or read about "70 years of empirical evidence" that Keynesian economics are "dead wrong." In fact, the data show that while FDR spent money the Depression was abating; it was only in 1937, to appease a frightened Congress, that he put on the brakes. Result? The Depression started anew. The only solution then was the stimulus provided by WW II. The typical conservative nostrums about the government crowding out private capital markets have been disproven time and again. As Nobel laureate Paul Krugman has pointed out, we need MORE federal stimulus, not less.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Hello Ernest,

    Funny how less bad news has become good news.  That said, I am all in favor of as much good news as we can get (www.goodnewshappens.com), so I really appreciate the effort you clearly went to to bring us this information.

    Let's hope for the numbers to keep on improving!

    Best Regards from Germany

    Edward

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Good Job Ernest on putting together this solid, statistically packed post.  I recently put together a similar thought process over on recrutingblogs.com but without a lot of the data to back it up.  So, thank you again.  Check it out when you have a moment, would like to hear your thoughts.

    http://recruitingblogs.ning.com/profiles/blogs/high-tide-raises-all-ships

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    My fingers are crossed Ernest!

  • 0 points 5 months ago

    Mark:

    If you read Krugman, you'll know less than when you started, if you read him carefully, you'll know nothing. There is enough actual information available on the economic history of the depression that one need not rely on the master of the post hoc error. Meanwhile, our posts, much like Krugman's articles, are entombed here in electrons forever; perhaps to some future reader we'll be as amusing as he is.

    ps Yasser Arafat has the "peace prize" and I have a Captain Video Secret Decoder Ring.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Bill,

    Last time I checked, Krugman held the Nobel Prize for Economics. You didn't. I believe Paul more than you. When you have some cred, let us know. Thanks for sharing.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Mark:

    But I do have that Captain Video decoder ring---------

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Amity Shlaes's book The Forgotten Man is a good place to start for a non-technical take on the shortcomings of the New Deal and Keynesian approach to the GD.

    For a more technical and real-time take, two blogs I suggest are these, one from the Econ department at George Mason U., the other from a prof at Bentley:

    http://econlog.econlib.org/

    http://blogsandwikis.bentley.edu/themoneyillusion/

    While I generally lean to the right and have a lot of concerns about the long-run effects of the stimulus, I also think the "Keynesian" and "anti-Keynesian" labels we sometimes debate over are oversimplifications of what's really going on.

  • 0 points 5 months ago

    Well this would certainly be good news if ole' John Maynard was right.

    Regrettably, we have 70 years of empirical evidence that he was dead wrong.

    This will run into a double dip with higher unemployment and insane inflation.

    Massive government spending will kill any "green shoots" we're seeing now. Economics is a complex subject in detail but easier to comprehend in macro. One has but to look at the economic activity generated a couple of years down the road by spending for the  new deal or the great society to understand exactly what will happen next.

    This may not make you happy if you expect to rise on the tide like all the other ships but great change also provides great opportunity.Learn to make friends with the recession, he'll be around a while.

  • 0 points 5 months ago

    Ernest, this is a well written article.  I hope you're right.  I am not as optimistic.  I believe the gains in the market are temporary.  The underlying fundamentals have not changed.  While it is not widely reported bank failures are continuing at an all time high and are continuing. 

    It is nice to know there is construction going on.  These are short term make work projects and will not be sustained longterm. 

    I don't share your enthusiasm for Keynesian economics they didn't work in the New Deal and I don't believe they  will work here.  I would like to see a major cut in corporate taxes, which will make it more attractive to bring manufacturing back to the US.  My desk specialty is the pharmaceutical industry.  We see more and more jobs going away.  Pfizer Wyeth merger and Merck Schering Plough merger are prime examples of what has happened and these have not taken place yet.  Manufacturing retreated first to Puerto Rico and now Ireland and India. 

    With all the government spending and debt creating it is going to be harder and harder for the private sector to get needed capital.  The government does not create wealth.  Every dollar it spends comes ultimately from another tax payer.

    Having said all this, again, I hope you are right and I am wrong.  We should know in the next several months.

    Thank you for sharing

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Manufacturing offshoring is not due to taxation, but rather to lower labor rates in developing countries. As those countries' labor markets become more expensive, the manufacturers seek ever cheaper markets in which to make their goods. India is already beginning to see this in high tech hotbeds such as Bengaluru and Hyderabad.

  • 1 point 5 months ago

    Mark,

    I have to disagree with you on this.  For many years Puerto Rico had a very favorable tax structure.  This is why many many pharmaceutical companies flocked there.  This has now changed and most of the pharmaceutical companies have pulled out and have moved their operations to places like Ireland India etc.  A favorable rate would bring it back.  I agree labor is a component but that is partially offset by the shipping cost to bring the product back into the US.  Additionally you have better control over quality they would have avoided problems like the Chinese L-triptophan incident a few year ago.

    Thank you for the lively discussion.